Top US firm says GenZ lawyers require ‘more handholding’ at work

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Suggestion appeared in a job ad for Gibson Dunn


US law firm Gibson Dunn has suggested that GenZ lawyers require “more handholding” around the office.

The suggestion appeared in a newly posted job listing for a London-based professional support lawyer, though it now seems to have been removed.

The role’s responsibilities include typical support tasks such as creating and reviewing templates, conducting legal research, leading meetings, and delivering presentations.

However, eyebrows may have been raised at the firm’s suggestion that GenZ lawyers (those born between 1997 and 2012) require “targeted training” due to a need for “more “handholding post-lockdown.

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The online ad now appears to have been amended to remove the reference but not before website RollOnFriday secured a screenshot.

A spokesperson for Gibson Dunn told the website:

“This is a newly created role to provide high-quality legal content and skills for our lawyers, including targeted training and coaching to support our junior associates.”

While some argue that junior lawyer training has suffered post-lockdown due to the shift to remote working — learning through osmosis, among other things — questions may arise about why GenZ lawyers need handholding, especially when they can earn a as much as £180k once qualified.

30 Comments

Gen z defender

I can guarantee it’s because gen z is naturally a more outspoken generation and they speak up when they don’t understand things, whereas older generations were (wrongly) told to suffer in silence. To say an entire generation is lazier or less skilled in a role is quite silly really.

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Jeremy

You were around with the ‘older generations? Ask around. It was not so much “not speaking up” as using a bit of initiative

Ano

Yep – some Gen Z lawyers really lack ownership and don’t understand that figuring out the solution is part of their job (in fact it’s 90% of our job as lawyers)

Anon

The ones who ask me to turn a word document into a PDF? If you say so, Jez

Get over yourself

If you’re a junior, turning word into PDF and extracting dog pages is part of your job. Why on earth do you expect your supervisor to do it at their hourly rate? You think you’re too good for it?

Anon

I’ve never known “save as PDF” to take longer than 30 seconds maximum. It takes more time to delegate the task, or even for the email with an attachment to land in your inbox.

I’m not too good for anything at my level and have no issues with easy tasks – is everything okay with you?

Millenial

No, it isn’t that they have the confidence to speak up, it’s that they don’t have the confidence to try harder for themselves and whinge if it isn’t dropped in their laps.

They are also less receptive to constructive criticism because they have been mollycoddled in an education system that doesn’t point out where they have gone wrong.

They claim that any such feedback is a microaggression and it’s always someone else’s fault.

The wartime generation (of whom there are very few left now) would be horrified with the lack of backbone, stoicism and resilience.

#snowflakes

#generationdrynites

Reasonable

Wow, someone clearly has some strong feelings about this…

Sounds like rather than blaming different “generations” from being different from you, try and see things from a different point of view sometimes.

Maybe its right sometimes, maybe its wrong sometimes but with this kind of attitude you’ll never know.

Each generation has their strengths and their own problems. Don’t idolise the past or speak about a whole generation being “horrified”. I guarantee your’e not speaking for everyone.

Be better.

Yours truly,

Reasonable.

🐇

U OK, hun?

Zapher

180k as an NQ is wild. What will the support lawyer be on?

Anonymous

Average working day of 11.5 hours. Likely 6 days a week averaged a year. Over 3000 hours a year… it’s not that wild when put into context

X

Only if you think that that is more than other professionals

Frank

It…is more than what most other professionals work.

Definitely longer hours than for management consultants. Definitely longer hours than accountants. Definitely more hours than doctors (yes, their hours are now capped). Definitely more hours than people in tech.

Bankers are the only ones who may work even longer hours – but are paid considerably better.

Anon

3000 hours would put you in the top 10 billing lawyers in the city I’d guess

Yep

One person in my entire MC firm broke 3,000 billables last year, for context. Probably more in a US firm where they routinely pad time and lie on their timesheets, but indeed it’s a very small minority.

US Associate

Lmao, we do not work that hard. We just do really intense sprints periodically where we do work ridiculously hard and then go back to chilling and enjoying a casual life.

Anna

That is not how I interpret the ad, at all.

Anonymous

This is the silliest thing ever. If employees are gen z, applying common sense we can infer they will be young, meaning they will come across new things never done before – of course they will need “hand holding” aka training to get to grips with things. As will any person starting a new job/ role

Anonymous

Every junior needs some hand holding, but what about the reverse when gen z need to hold partners hands because they don’t know how to convert a word doc to pdf

X

Or have forgotten they are not allowed to buy lunch from the client account and need reminding. Again! Doh!!!

Anonymous

Senior partners and legal staff get a slap on the wrist after mishandling client funds but God forbid a junior makes a mistake on a document, the SRA will strike them off meanwhile the dinosaur partner who sleeps with his secretaries gets overlooked

Anon

As a partner I am the one having to teach Gen Z basic IT skills. They grew up on apps and are hopeless at the most basic IT things.

Anonymous

Lucky if they can even use a computer at all sometimes

LOL

Do tell – how do you interpret “more handholding/explaining needed for GenZ/post-lockdown”?

Partner

Sick of my trainees complaining about the “lack of support” and 100 hour weeks.

What part of “I need a monkey to collect signatures and run redlines” don’t you get?

US survivor

This gave me a chuckle. My TC at a US firm was in many ways a complete waste of time (including for the firm).

Multiple seats I billed only double digits in six months because nobody could be bothered explaining how to do things or what tasks actually meant in the context of a deal, it was simply easier to send it to the team of paralegals.

And who can blame them? The turnover of staff was so severe that junior associates who came from different/better environments were unsure how to deal with trainees without materials, while senior associates were often in the process of leaving, meaning they couldn’t be bothered to supervise either. Combine this with the fact that time for supervising trainees was non-billable and all of a sudden things made sense, albeit only after 3 wasted seats. Thankfully I landed on my feet elsewhere (riding on the ‘US firm’ rep) but retention was approx 50%, unpublicised of course, with those retained having almost always paralegalled there in the retaining team before! I finished honestly asking myself what the point was, including for the firm.

Rrrr

Please disclose the firm ? 🤣 or give a hint

Heh

The description given could be most US firms in London, with the exception of the really big established ones like Latham or W&C.

Sun is out

Millenials are getting grumpy because they are no longer the hot ones.

Not quite a boomer. Not young enough to be a millenial

No.

The first generation to be starting primary school in nappies are now entering the workplace.

It shows.

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